he told me with this system, the united states was that far away, he held his fingers up about an inch apart from a total -- from a totalitarian turnkey state. the system is there for anybody that wants to to turn the key and turn this into basically a totalitarian state. under the bush administration, it was done secretly. it was only stopped when "the new york times" discovered it and reported it. >> as i look at this story i think look, a guy sitting in the middle of missouri says i'm a plumber, they can eavesdrop on me, i got nothing to do with al-qaeda, i don't really care. number one it's a huge constitutional problem start with al-qaeda, then truly dealers, then drug users then 50% of the country. the fact that this center is so large and equipped says to me they want to collect everybody's information includion the plumber in missouri just in case. >> well, you can see all the mistakes they make just on the no fly list. they have all these people on there that have never done anything. all these mistakes. the intelligence community is always making mistakes and they don't tell